well they annoy you and they never stop talking about ford of gm. so you have to talk more about volkswagens and why they are better then american cars, Our gm rusted after 2 years and it had 24,000 miles in it, dads super duty ford is rusting on the exhust and the bumper when it was a few months old. our 99.5 jetta has a little rust on the exhust and my rabbit only has a little on the lip of the trunk latch and the door latch on the driver door.